[AGA-Contest] Re: AGA-Contest Digest, Vol 5, Issue 1

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

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Karen

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>    1. [AGA-mcm] Convention Feedback (fwd) (Erik Olson)
>    2. Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary (fwd) (Erik Olson)
>    3. RE: [AGA-mcm] Convention Feedback (fwd) (Bailin Shaw)
>    4. My thoughts on the Aquascaping Contest (Carlos Sanchez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:52:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: [AGA-Contest] [AGA-mcm] Convention Feedback (fwd)
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> [Just archiving this suggestion for next year on this list.]
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:24:22 -0500
> From: Phil Edwards <biotypical@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> To: aga-mcm@thekrib.com
> Subject: [AGA-mcm] Convention Feedback
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> Going on my experiences last year I think it would be really neat to have
some
> sort of deal for first time convention goers.  I think it would make it
most
> comfortable to have a group of folks willing to introduce newbies to folks
and
> answer questions be introduced as a group at the Friday night gathering.
That
> way those folks who want the help will know who to do to and those who
don't
> won't be singled out by a badge or the like.
>
> I would love to see a separate time/place for extended commentary by the
> judges.  The idea of a dedicated workshop this year was excellent and I'm
sorry
> it got removed.  Most of the folks there had questions about how things
scored
> and why some comments were made.  Not a few folks have approached me
afterward
> wanting more input.  This would be an excellent Banquet talk.
>
> Even better, we could/should announce the results on Saturday morning then
> later on in the day have a Judges Forum where the judges can give their
> commentary with less of a time constraint and possibly answer questions
about
> the process/specific aquascapes.  As a participant I think this would be
the
> most useful workshop of the whole weekend.  90% of the folks take the
judges
> commentary very seriously and would like more than a few sentances of
feedback.
> Giving the results earlier also has the benefit of giving the winners more
time
> with the plant folks to appreciate their accomplishments.  That extra time
> could mean a lot for the folks who won and would make it a little more
special
> for them.
>
> Cheryl,
> Thanks, I'll be looking for those certificates.
>
> Best,
> Phil
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:02:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
> Subject: [AGA-Contest] Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary (fwd)
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> bouncing this one to a more appropriate list, for discussion either now or
> later.  Another request for judging based on style of aquascape.
>
> Note that in the past week I've now heard requests for judging based on
> style, based on ability, and based on whether one is a pro or an amateur.
>
> My personal take is not to pigeonhole by style, and that the size
> categories do a pretty good job of relegating the pros to the extra-large
> category, but that's just me.
>
>    - Erik
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> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:02:50 -0500
> From: Ghazanfar Ghori <ghorig@gmail.com>
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> To: AGA Advisory Committee <aga-mcm@thekrib.com>
> Subject: Re: [AGA-mcm] AGA2K4 Feedback Summary
>
> ...
>
> There is one major problem IMO, with how we're judging scapes.
> There are three distinct styles....
>
> Nature Aquarium - that in itself has several sub-styles that have critera
> that they're judged on.
>
> Dutch - (strict includes no wood or rock as part of the scape itself)
>
> American (Almost Dutch, without the rock/wood restrictions and less
> stronger plant groupings)
>
> To judge all three styles fairly using one criteria is probably
> difficult, if not
> impossible.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:57:41 +0000
> From: "Bailin Shaw" <bailin_shaw@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [AGA-Contest] [AGA-mcm] Convention Feedback (fwd)
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> Cc: l_lampert@yahoo.com, larrylampert@sbcglobal.net
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> Hi All,
>
> I want to congratulate GWAPA on a very nicely run convention.  The timing
of
> the talks were just right and allowed a lot of time for people to
interact,
> which was missing from last year's convention.  Another suggestion that we
> might think about for next year is redoing the format for the auction.  As
a
> runner/worker/helper this year, I didn't have much of an opportunity to
much
> bidding on the plants I was interested for my tanks at home.  Just too
busy
> and time was short because of travel.
>
> So, I'd suggest that we have a for sale table of plants that were shipped
in
> from donors during the convention.  I know this may not generate as much
> money as the auctions, but if the plants are stuff like crypts, anubias,
> etc. from some place like FAN or other plant sellers, we could charge
close
> to retail, but at a discount - say 10-20% off.  Also, we could have bidder
> sheets for some of the rare stuff and let people bid on the plants until
the
> morning of the auction.  This could help cut down on some of the number of
> plants we had in the auction.  The sheer number of plants this year was
> daunting!  We just didn't have much time to sell everything and the rarer
> stuff in the auction was diluted due to the number of plants.
>
> Just a thought on my end.  This is of course open to discussion.  We do
need
> to improve the format however.
>
> Bailin
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:16:09 -0500
> From: "Carlos Sanchez" <tsunamicarlos@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [AGA-Contest] My thoughts on the Aquascaping Contest
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> Hello all,
>
> First, I'd like to say that we had the best turnout ever this year -- and
> that is really something to be proud of, especially since American
> participation alone was nearly equal to total participation in previous
> years. With this large boost in numbers and the expansion of the scope of
> the contest, I think the contest should also begin to look toward how
judges
> are chosen. This contest has always been an 'American' contest by the
judges
> that have been chosen year to year. I think it is time to make the shift
> completely to 'international' by having representative judges from around
> the world --which would necessitate an increase in the number of judges to
> at least five or so. Because Asia and Europe alone contribute around 40%
of
> participation, I think we should have at least two international judges
(one
> from each of those continents) every year. Token? Perhaps, but the contest
> will only expand in scope if the international community is well
represented
> in the judging panel.
>
> Second, I think the point system for the judging needs to be rehauled. I
> think there was far too much emphasis on maintenance (and who here wants
to
> keep tanks only with Anubias barteri var. nana and Java fern for years?).
I
> believe the categories 'selection and use of materials' and 'composition'
> are redundant. Composition of wood and rock should fall under the same
> category as composition of plants. Fish choice should be given more
> importance, as it is a critical aspect of an aquascape -- the harmony of
the
> fish with the plants both in shape, color, and movement (if the judge is
> familiar with the fish, he can make such a judgement).
>
> I think Overall impression is weighted too heavily on the scale. It allows
> too much room for subjectivity in an already rather subjective aquascaping
> hobby.
>
> More to come... but here are some initial thoughts,
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
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