Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission deadline]

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

I definitely did _NOT_ get the impression that he was feeling pissy with 
anyone, either AGA or you personally.  He was still really pumped about NEC, 
and talked excitedly about looking forward to seeing the video.  But he 
didn't say anything about the length of time.  Likewise, if he was putting 
blame anywhere for the late decision on convention dates, it was squarely 
where it belongs, on our SF friends.

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission deadline]


> Yes.  I think Ray can pick and choose what he wants a bit more than he
> lets on (as do we all, I suppose).  By all means April should have been
> too late to have booked him for November anyway.  What I got from the
> conversation with him was that he thought it would be a good perk for HIM,
> because SF is home to San Francisco Bay Brand, one of his big sponsors,
> and he could take time to visit them.  So perhaps he either quickly forgot
> about our passing conversation, or decided it'd be better not to go...or,
> he might have been getting pissy about me not being done with his video
> yet. :)
>
> In either case, whew!  I think this will be less hassle for a convention
> in which we could use less hassle.
>
>   - Erik
>
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Karen Randall wrote:
>
>> He said his vendors had already decided on the itinerary for the year, 
>> and
>> we had contacted him too late.  (though he was apologetic about it)
>> Sometimes, I think Ray makes up excuses just to justify going or not 
>> going
>> to an event he does/doesn'twant to attend.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cheryl Rogers" <cheryl@wilstream.com>
>> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 4:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission 
>> deadline]
>>
>>
>>> So what happened between NEC and CAOAC?
>>>
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> Karen Randall wrote:
>>>> When I talked to Ray at CAOAC, it sounded like he'd already decided not
>>>> to
>>>> come.  It wasn't an "official" conversation, but that was the 
>>>> impression
>>>> I
>>>> got.
>>>>
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>>>> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic Gardener ad submission
>>>> deadline]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Larry Lampert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, if we do this then what do we charge Seachem who
>>>>>> is sending a speaker? $649 for what will amount to
>>>>>> just the hospitality naming rights? They are already a
>>>>>> full page TAG advertiser. I am not sure this works but
>>>>>> I will go with it if you guys think we should.
>>>>> We'll give Seachem a table for free, right?  Seachem has been very 
>>>>> happy
>>>>> to donate money -- they sponsored 80% of the contest last year for
>>>>> instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also make it we need to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to Gary
>>>>>> that he gets two registrations free but NO FT OR
>>>>>> BANQUET. I have had this problem with him before.
>>>>> Good to know this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we can afford Ray. We can't shell out
>>>>>> the cash just to hopefully recoup it in auction
>>>>>> proceeds. Rays stuff is mainly for the fish folks and
>>>>>> since most people will be flying they won't be bidding
>>>>>> on the big stuff.
>>>>> I was really thinking this myself.  Now I just have to find a way to
>>>>> explain that if/when he asks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest at this point, I really am not concerned
>>>>>> about the vendor room. It is a "nice to have" but not
>>>>>> a prerequisite for a good convention experience. If
>>>>>> the vendor room does not pay for itself then it is IMO
>>>>>> just another thing for us to worry about.
>>>>> Good insight.  However, we still need to contact folks about auction
>>>>> donations.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seachem - I will call Greg next week to confirm him or
>>>>>> his research director and get their bios.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>> A question; Should these discussions be on MCM or
>>>>>> should they be Board only (SC)?
>>>>> I don't see much point about putting them on MCM, unfortunately.
>>>>> Probably would just annoy Skidmore that we're planning behind SFBAAPS'
>>>>> back, and would make Phil feel guilty about bailing.  I can't think of
>>>>> anyone else on that list who would be able to contribute.  But I'd 
>>>>> like
>>>>> to
>>>>> eventually move it back to conheads, but I frankly don't feel
>>>>> comfortable
>>>>> talking openly about stuff like Ray there.
>>>>>
>>>>>   - Erik
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> --- Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, that sounds great!  Let's figure out the
>>>>>>> specifics, get our story
>>>>>>> straight, and then we can reply to folks like Gary
>>>>>>> and Ray, and it doesn't
>>>>>>> matter how we divvy the jobs up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll just throw some numbers out:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Vendor table $250, includes 2 convention regs (but
>>>>>>> not banquet or FT)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Free vendor table for full-page TAG advertisers
>>>>>>> (incl the regs, but
>>>>>>>    again, no FT)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Contest category sponsors $50 per category, $75
>>>>>>> for best of show
>>>>>>>    Will be announced at convention, and promoted on
>>>>>>> website just like this
>>>>>>>    year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think sirs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Erik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Karen Randall wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd kind of rather offer them a FREE table at the
>>>>>>> convention for a year of
>>>>>>>> advertising.  Our vendor area will look more
>>>>>>> attractive to OTHER vendors if
>>>>>>>> it is seen as a busyling place where they are
>>>>>>> likely to get their products
>>>>>>>> noticed.  Our TAG advertisers are already our
>>>>>>> biggest suporters.
>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Karen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Erik Olson" <erik@thekrib.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board"
>>>>>>> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:35 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] [Fwd: RE: The Aquatic
>>>>>>> Gardener ad submission deadline]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006, Cheryl Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't Erica somebody volunteer for this?
>>>>>>>>> Hm, yes, seem to recall that.  I put her in
>>>>>>> contact with you for the list,
>>>>>>>>> perhaps? :)  Now I'll have to go back and check
>>>>>>> my old e-mail.
>>>>>>>>>> However, I have been feeling the need to
>>>>>>> formally contact vendors again
>>>>>>>>>> regarding TAG advertising. Do we coordinate or
>>>>>>> hit them twice? While it
>>>>>>>>>> would be cheaper to coordinate, I think we
>>>>>>> should hit them twice from
>>>>>>>>>> different "departments." Otherwise we give them
>>>>>>> the option of thinking
>>>>>>>>>> it's an either/or situation when actually they
>>>>>>> can support both TAG and
>>>>>>>>>> the convention/contest.
>>>>>>>>> I dunno about that... I find it's probably easier
>>>>>>> to explain both
>>>>>>>>> situations at the same time.  I mean, we had the
>>>>>>> same issue with the
>>>>>>>>> contest/convention.  Didn't want to hit them
>>>>>>> twice there either because
>>>>>>>>> some places had limited PR budget and felt we
>>>>>>> were double-dipping.
>>>>>>>>> So I would think a prospective contact would be
>>>>>>> asking for any of the
>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   1. TAG ad revenue (the most helpful to us, also
>>>>>>> most costly)
>>>>>>>>>   2. Monetary sponsorship (contest or convention)
>>>>>>>>>  What are the categories?  How much?  How much
>>>>>>> for a comp reg?
>>>>>>>>>   3. Vendor tables at convention
>>>>>>>>>  How much?  Includes comp reg?
>>>>>>>>>   4. Auction donations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey! How about we work them a deal that if they
>>>>>>> buy a table at the
>>>>>>>>>> convention they get a 10% discount on a yearly
>>>>>>> TAG ad?
>>>>>>>>> Seems OK by me if we don't end up losing money...
>>>>>>>  remember though that
>>>>>>>>> theoretically for that $120 table, half the money
>>>>>>> goes to SFBAAPS (ho ho
>>>>>>>>> ho), so it's not really a wash for giving them
>>>>>>> 10% off.
>>>>>>>>>   - Erik
>>>>>>>>>
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