Tim's angry. Steve's angry. Mike's conscientious and honest and trying to answer a question. I think Mike sounds good on this one. Why? His reputation and my experience of how seriously he does his 'fish work'. But, I haven't seen the fish, and Steve, Tim and Mike, the people who have, have had their say. What more can we constructively say? So let's move on? Fish-guy Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!