Mike...........OK...the name (A. sp"Peru") is gone! Can I name it Apisto. sp."ACA2000" to be able to call it something for the moment???...;-);-) I know you gust got some more gray hairs!!!!! It probably is closer to A. payaminonis...I would never argue with you about identification....what I was referring to was the overall cast of yellow (on the male & female) as in the Pandy female and the larger cheek stripes that almost look sometimes to be blotches like the Pandy females......thusly I eluded to "Pandy".........that's real layman's work for you there there.....;-) I sent a very terrible photo (actually 3-4 of them) to Julio so he could tell the color the cheek stripes and the forked (truncated) tail.......I'll get some better ones and post them as quick as I can. Or is this one of the fish you very quickly went "over" in your talk and should I wait until those folks put the pictures out? Man are they uncomfortable in a tank.......true F0's I guess............gonna take some real photo work to get these "in a camera". Mike W. (or anyone), I don't know if I'm using truncated correctly.........all forked tails are not truncated are they......I'm getting lost here?????...........I'm lost. Meeting the APISTO people at the Convention was an honest to goodness pleasure.................I vote for Mike W. to talk to the cichlid world in 2001 and we supply him with all the slides he needs (as if he needs any)...........he does our little apistos proud and he was really entertaining...........or was it that late or the blue stuff Big John was drinking...............or both????? Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl 33705 firstname.lastname@example.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike & Diane Wise <email@example.com> > > BTW please get rid of that Peru name. There are already 2 species published under > A. sp. Peru (A. sp. Masken/Masked & A. cf. urteagai). We certainly don't need > another!. Besides, we don't even know that it comes from Peru. It could be > another A. sp. Goias Redtail fiasco. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, firstname.lastname@example.org. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email email@example.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!