Re: A. sp. Lyretail Panduro; was: Nanochromis

[Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>]

Mike Jacobs wrote:

> Mike...........OK...the name (A. sp"Peru") is gone!

Good

> Can I name it Apisto. sp."ACA2000" to be able to call it something for the
> moment???...;-);-)  I
> know you gust got some more gray hairs!!!!!

Rip, tear! What hair! (LMAO). Right now the German importers are calling it A.
sp. Lyretail Panduro. This is a pretty good name for it.

> It probably is closer to A.
> payaminonis...I would never argue with you about identification....what I
> was referring to was the overall cast of yellow (on the male & female) as in
> the Pandy female and the larger cheek stripes that almost look sometimes to
> be blotches like the Pandy females......thusly I eluded to
> "Pandy".........that's real layman's work for you there there.....;-)

Your guess is as good as mine. The dark markings on the face & flanks resemble
those of A. payaminonis, but all I have are a couple of poor photos to go on. The
caudal spot is more like A. panduro, that's for sure. The yellow color isn't that
important, but actually looks more like that of the typical A. payaminonis.

> I sent a very terrible photo (actually 3-4 of them) to Julio so he could
> tell the color the cheek stripes and the forked (truncated) tail.......I'll
> get some better ones and post them as quick as I can.

Wonderful, let us know when they are up. I sent Julio copies of 2 slide taken at
the convention. We'll see if Julio can find out more about them when he goes to
Peru.

> Or is this one of the
> fish you very quickly went "over" in your talk and should I wait until those
> folks put the pictures out?

No, this is an entirely new species. Even juveniles should be easy to ID by the
preorbital (nose) stripe. It is very narrow with a larger round black spot on it,
close to the mouth.

> Man are they uncomfortable in a tank.......true
> F0's I guess............gonna take some real photo work to get these "in a
> camera".

Good luck.

>
>
> Mike W. (or anyone), I don't know if I'm using truncated
> correctly.........all forked tails are not truncated are they......I'm
> getting lost here?????...........I'm lost.

No, fish with truncate tail have the back edge squared-off. The photo of "A.
eunotus" in Linke & Staeck's book has a truncate tail. Some "lyretail" species
have truncate tails, too, e.g. A. steindachneri. The Germans recognize 2
different lyre tails - a truncate lyre tail form like A. steindachneri's (called
double tipped) and a round lyre tail form like A. gibbiceps's (called lyretail).

The "double tipped" forms are mostly found on "ancestral" forms while the round
tail "lyretail" forms are found only on "advanced" species. (See my article on
"Description, Distribution, & Proposed Phylogeny of Apisto Species-Groups" for
definitions).

> Meeting the APISTO people at the Convention was an honest to goodness
> pleasure.................I vote for Mike W. to talk to the cichlid world in
> 2001 and we supply him with all the slides he needs (as if he needs
> any)...........he does our little apistos proud and he was really
> entertaining...........or was it that late or the blue stuff Big John was
> drinking...............or both?????

Thanks for the warm fuzzy; send all requests to the North Jersey Aquarium Society
(LMAO). Personally, I think it was late, and that blue stuff is killer on an
empty stomach!!   : )

Mike Wise

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