Re: blue ram sudden fry death

[Scott <zerelli@yahoo.com>]

How does pH kill a fish? I mean other than causing a
change from ammonia to ammonium. I really think people
tend to latch onto that idea without a basis. I was in
a pet shop the other day and one of the employees was
complaining about how hard it was to keep discus since
she had to constantly mess with pH. I toldher to just
leave it alone and she looked at me like I was nuts. I
personally watched two pairs spawn repeatedly in water
well over 7.5 pH. She didn't believe it and was sure
they cannot survive in such water. I am just curious
and not saying that it is not true. Someone educate me
I need to learn something not computer related this
week (work has been a pain).


--- Max Gallade <mgallade@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think Mike J. posted here before that Rams like
> perfect conditions to 
> raise their youngens in.The question is what is
> perfect?I've been succesful 
> with Rams in a species only tank(10g).  I move the
> female  out after 
> hatching and let the male take over the brood
> care.My males have been 
> wonderful fathers so far and haven't eaten a fry
> yet.We wrote a Ram breeding 
> journal on the TDA site (which is now back
> online).It contains a lot of 
> helpful tips I got from people here and  a link to
> the Z-man Ram breeding 
> article with more great tips.
> HTH
> Max
> 
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> 
> >From: "Joe Anderson" <the_submariner@hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> >To: apisto@listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: blue ram sudden fry death
> >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:01:28 +0000
> >
> >
> >my laetacara pair does the same thing. I'd be prone
> to agree with thsi
> >conclusion.  if it were anything other than the
> parents, then a gradual
> >visual clue would should have been more evident.
> >my laetacara eat either the eggs or the fry due to
> temp fluctuations or
> >suddent changes in area outside tank.  Very
> peculiar pair this one.  ive
> >only been able to raise one batch to free swimming,
> by taking them away 
> >from
> >parents.
> >My 2 cents,
> >Joe Anderson
> >Oklahoma City Aquarium Association
> >www.okcaa.aquariumsociety.com
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: Brian Ahmer <ahmer.1@osu.edu>
> >Reply-To: apisto@listbox.com
> >To: apisto@listbox.com
> >Subject: Re: blue ram sudden fry death
> >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:44:04 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> >My blue ram fry always disappear after a few days. 
> I assume either
> >the parents get stressed about protecting them from
> other fish and
> >then eat them, or that other fish eat them.  I
> think since they all
> >disappear at once and it's often before they're
> swimming around a
> >lot, I think the parents are eating them.
> >
> >
> >>[Max Gallade]
> >>I can only think of three possibilities
> ,starvation,predation or ph swing.
> >>I noticed that my Ram fry don't pick that much on
> Java moss or Algae for
> >>Microorganisms.
> >>
> >>[John McCrone]
> >>I was going to mention that the fry seemed to be
> looking for food in the
> >>water column rather than picking like my apisto
> fry have done in the past.
> >>I
> >>assume that with starvation I would have seen a
> more gradual die-off as at
> >>least some should have found drifting food.
> >>
> >>Thanks for the offer of microworms - but I live in
> UK and they might not
> >>travel. I did set up an infusoria culture, but it
> hadn't got going. My 
> >>plan
> >>was to mash up some daphnia and mosquito larva and
> see if they would eat
> >>that - but then they all disappeared.
> >>
> >>[Max Gallade]
> >>Do you use CO2 injection during the day and night
> in your tank?
> >>Any other fish in the tank?
> >>
> >>[John McCrone]
> >>No CO2. No other fish. If it is pH swing, then why
> are they fine for a few
> >>days then wham?
> >>
> >>Another odd thing was that I couldn't spot any
> dead bodies - even in the
> >>breeding trap I could only find one. Perhaps
> snails made fast work of 
> >>them.
> >>It's all very strange.
> >>
> >>Cheers
>
>>------------------------------------------------------------
> >>from John McCrone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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