Well, it's nice to see that there's some hope for the moae to get passed around in the hobby. When I got them and spawned them back in, I think '00, I had never even heard of them let alone seen them before. Apparently they haven't warranted much attention. I wasn't terribly impressed with them at first, but the male finally colored up and actually looked pretty nice. Even up to now I only knew of a small handful of people who had them, all from my spawns. I actually regret selling them all off now, but maybe I'll get my chance at them again. I suppose I could just order a box of norberti again and see if I get lucky. They weren't really what I would call a challenge to spawn. I pretty much put them in a tank, fed them when I thought of it, and they did their thing. I set them up in a 15 with a few other Apisto spare parts. The water was on the soft side, probably 3-4dKH, pH 6.5-7 with small gravel substrate and only one clay flowerpot. Once they hit maturity it didn't take long for them to spawn. The female was a very diligent parent all the way through, and the male pretty much stayed out of the way. I only spawned them twice before selling off the pair. They weren't super productive, maybe 20-30 fry from a spawn, but enough to start a good new generation. Kind of made me wonder why they weren't more common in the hobby. Zack ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. apisto-digest@listbox.com also available. Web archives at http://lists.thekrib.com/apisto