> Yes, your "macmasteri" female is definitely a Rotpunkt female. Note that she does not > have any ventral stripe or patch. All macmasteri-group females show some black > pigmentation somewhere between the anus and the chin. Some rare female Rotpunkt > females will show this, too, like the one you mention in aqualog. She can easily be > separated from macmasteri-group females by the irregular shape of her caudal peduncal > spot. Well, I think for me that just about settles it then. They are rotpunkt type and not macmasteri. Where would the blue cheeks come from? I didn't see any blue like mine on the ones in the book? Bottom photo..... http://www.calweb.com/users/d/djhanson/macma.htm Kaycy http://www.calweb.com/users/d/djhanson/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!