I have two questions Mike (Wise): 1) ..Not so serious............ What is important to a beginner apisto freak like myself is identification...............ALL of the present readily availiable books show us pictures to id the fish with. You are training us to "...not use color as a determination" of species......that's difficult............to me anyway. A real full explaination of the system and up to date examples is something I personally would really enjoy. All of my photos are free to you........for what little help that would be. I know we expect that writing a book is simply sitting down for 2-3 days and it is done, we are all asking something that each of us would find impossible..........but the demand just might overwhelm you with the right approach. Identification is key to us, and I think everyone.......... 2) On a more serious note........for me at least. I am for sure interested in cichlids angels and discus in particular, but quite frankly the major reason I went to the ACA last year...my first...was to participate in the ASG on Friday evening........I was VERY dissapointed. There was really no dwarf cichlid talk, get together, group that I could find anyway...................heh, heh.....maybe yu guys were hiding from me...........could we get together at least to put faces on names?....................some of us aren't as forward as others.....it was extremely dissapointing to spend the entire weekend at a cichlid convention and have no ASG meet. Thanks...........Mike Mike Jacobs Math Instructor Center for Advanced Technologies St. Pete, Fl. mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!