Mike Jacobs wrote: > > Marco wrote... > >I strongly recommend the original description of A. meinkeni by > >Kullander, 1980: there is a black & white picture of a preserved > >specimen, > > Great suggestion.....thanks.....where does one find these descriptions. > Libraries.........the internet??? Dear Mike: You can find it at a library. Look for: "Bonner Zoologische Monographien, Nr. 14, 1980". This is Kullander's paper containing A. meinkeni's original description, as well as many other species. I agree with what Mike Wise suggested, i.e., that A. pertensis is not a single, but a complex of species. So many of the so-called A. pertensis- populations, A. cf. pertensis, A. aff. pertensis or ditto for the A. meinkeni in the hobby should represent distinct, closely related species. I've collected myself the real A. meinkeni (from type locality, the village of Trovao at Rio Uaupes) and can tell you that the light interspaces are always broader or equal in width to the dark bars, just exactly as in Kullander's picture. I have preserved a few specimens (now deposited at the NR Museum in Stockholm, where Kullander works) and have a slide from this specimen (dead, after preservation in formaline, but caudal fin pattern clearly visible). The real A. pertensis, like Mike Wise said, is best referred to as Haseman's photo/drawing. It's a fish from Rio Negro. I've collected some fishes like A. meinkeni, as the so-called A. cf. meinkeni "Tefé", but it may represent another distinct, closely related species. (I've shown a slide of this fish at last Apistogramma Study Group lecture in St. Louis). Cheers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@majordomo.pobox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@majordomo.pobox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!